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Just
before Ben Folds takes the stage on his current tour, the
lights dim, then flash up to red; a synthesizer fanfare
blares through the P.A.; a sequenced bass line started pumping
-- and suddenly the crowd is wrapped up in a slick mutation
of the Peter Gunn theme. The music says "Bond … James Bond."
Yet when the diminutive star strolls out toward the gleaming
black grand piano, in a red T-shirt with an image of the
Joker leering from his chest, the transforms into the kind
of ironic joke that Folds fans have come to know and love.
And when he and his new band kick into the slow, prowling
beat of "Not the Same" from Rockin' the Suburbs, they ace
the segue from ‘60s kitsch to a thoroughly modern mix of
insightful lyric and musical eloquence. From opening tune
all the way to the encores, Folds draws his set largely
from the new album. That's a rich lode of material, as wide
in mood as the catalog he built with his former trio, the
Ben Folds Five. On the road, Folds is now backed by former
Dixie Chicks drummer Jim Bogius and two single-named pals
from back in Raleigh -- guitarist Snuzz and bassist Millard.
But Suburbs is almost entirely a solo effort, with Folds
playing all the piano, bass, drums, and almost all the guitar
parts. The writing, as always, is entirely his, with its
layers of wicked humor and touching sensitivity, all spread
across a terrain of impeccably landscaped chord changes
laced by rolling flows of melody. From his earliest successes
with bassist Robert Sledge and drummer Darren Jessee in
the numerically enigmatic Ben Folds Five, he's created this
kind of material. His lyrics are narrative, poetic and vernacular
at the same time, in ways that intrigue critics and inspire
a peculiarly affectionate loyalty from fans. And in his
performances Folds maintains a unique balance, one foot
in the brown shoe of nerdiness, the other in the slick sneaker
of stylish angst. "Everybody knows it sucks to grow up,"
he sings in the chorus of "Still Fighting It" -- the key
line on Rockin' the Suburbs. It's a tribal anthem, and at
the same time, an intimate admission. This goes beyond even
Randy Newman's artful ironies: It sings to and from within
the hearts of his audience. One can imagine Folds addressing
us through the years, long after more transparent heroes
have hung up their spikes or faded away on Vegas stages.
Regular StarPolish contributor Robert Doerschuk recently
caught up with Folds in Chicago, where he generously agreed
to answer a significant number of questions submitted by
StarPolish fans.
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STARPOLISH: Let's begin
with this question from a StarPolish fan: “How does it make you
feel when fans describe your music as a 'soundtrack to their lives’?”
FOLDS:
I think that's a big compliment. I guess it's like writing a journal
or something, and there are some like-minded souls that are going
to relate to it. That's really cool.
STARPOLISH: As a follow-up,
the same person also wanted to know what sorts of things you did
in high school and early college for fun.
| “I
can't imagine [a Ben Folds Five reunion] anytime soon. I don't
think any of the three of us are interested in that now.” |
FOLDS:
College and high school were really kind of pathetic for me (laughs).
I mean, there's no excuse for not having fun with your life, and
there's nothing cool about that at all. But when I think back
on it, a lot of people were just gasping for air and hanging onto
something to hold them up in the water, because that's really
a tough time. I guess some people are blessed in that time period
and then have to struggle somewhere else.
STARPOLISH: You didn't
have any fun at all in those days?
FOLDS:I'm
trying to think of what I liked... I guess my idea of fun then
was just mischievous shit. Sometimes me and a friend of mine would
skip school and go play squash at the Y. See, I had to work a
lot -- I worked eight hours a day at one job or another and went
to school at the same time, trying to make sure that I was going
to be able to afford college. I don't like romanticizing your
struggle; that's just not cool. But that was just my honest memory.
STARPOLISH: So you earned
your own way through college? <
FOLDS:
I didn't make it through. I had help from my parents too, but
we needed all that we could get. I was leaving school as fast
as I could, with a lawnmower in my trunk, mowing a lawn or two.
Then I would work a late-shift sometimes at Hardee's, and then
go to school. Probably 90 percent of what you learn comes from
outside of school; school is just sort of the structure, the babysitter.
STARPOLISH: Another fan
writes, “I've always admired your knack for being able to come
up with unique piano parts that are strong yet simple. Do you
look to your technical knowledge when writing songs, or do you
just play what you hear in your head? How do you develop that
initial musical idea on the piano?”
FOLDS:
You have to have technique to illustrate an idea or to get something
across. Pure musical expression would probably be someone screaming
his lungs out, lying on the street somewhere -- and that's just
not musical. There's so much work involved in the technique. But
I always found that as I was learning my technique and my craft,
my expression waned a lot because your brain goes to that technical
side and you forget about the expressive part. You have to be
patient. You have to learn your technique, and then you have to
know when to put it away and let it become second nature. It's
like riding a bike: You don't go “Okay, now I have to put my feet
on the pedals.” You hear people making music all the time where
they're striving to push their technical ability, but you can
also feel they're not using it toward expression. It has to be
effortless, just like speech or whatever. I do think it's important
to get your legs and learn your technique, but it can't consume
you. I haven't had to think about it as much as some people, so
I think I'm kind of lucky. Neil Young probably has a lot harder
time coordinating his voice and his guitar, but he's got his expression
so down that the things he does have a grip on are helping him.
He also probably knows more than he lets on.
STARPOLISH: The same writer
adds, "I just saw you in Nashville. Is the Baldwin you played
the same one you used in BF5?"
FOLDS:
Yeah, it is. For the past two years with the band I had that piano,
and it's the same piano I recorded the album on.
STARPOLISH: Another fan
ask what types of venues do you like, and why?
FOLDS:
I like all of them; it's actually interesting to play the blockbusters.
But if I had to reside just in one size of venue, it would probably
be one to three thousand [people].
STARPOLISH: That's big enough
to generate excitement, but intimate enough to reach everybody?
FOLDS:
Yeah, it's good energy. There's a technical thing in there too:
You get too small with the club and there are some things I want
to pull off that aren't technically happening on the stage, like
your monitors aren't right, or the room sounds funny. If I were
just at a piano by myself, I'd probably be okay playing for a
hundred or two hundred people.
STARPOLISH: Do you have
any plans to do a second U.S. tour?
FOLDS:
We're gonna try to get through the States as much as we can on
the album, but it's hard because there are fifteen other countries
to do. I'd like to get through two or three times.
STARPOLISH: Here's a question
about touring outside of the U.S.: “I'm just sitting here in sunny
Adelaide, wondering when you might be back home. Also, any hints
on secret gigs?”
FOLDS:
I'm going to be home a lot over the holidays, and I'm gonna be
home in a few weeks. And, yeah, we're going to do something, possibly
at Grace Emily or someplace about that size. You should look out
for that.
STARPOLISH: A StarPolish
member from Tasmania wants to know if you'll be playing there
at all, and whether you'll be at the “Big Day Out” this year?
FOLDS:
I don't think we're doing the “Big Day Out.” We want to get to
Tazzy, but it's a production thing -- carrying and renting production
to the island is expensive. It's like, when we can afford to do
it, we'll do it, but when we come to Australia we're really on
a budget, because it costs eight thousand dollars to fly the crew
over.
STARPOLISH: A U.K. fan writes,
"You're touring here in December as the support act for the Manchester
band James. Do you know their stuff, and what do you think of
it?"
FOLDS:
I like James fine, but I think that we've just cancelled that
tour. We've really been weighing out the option of doing the gigs
in smaller places and having it be our own show. I've never been
that big of a fan of opening big things like that, so I don't
think I want to do it right now.
STARPOLISH: Another fan
said he caught your show in Boston and was blown away by the new
band, but wondered if you’re thinking about a new name for the
band as you’ve previously joked.
FOLDS:
It would be fun to come up with a name for the band, and I could
incorporate that when we tour. But the reality is that I'm supporting
a record that I played all the instruments on. If I just come
up with some random name, it's still my name on the album, so
that's kind of confusing. Part of being a solo artist is the freedom
to go do it solo or come next time with an orchestra or whatever.
I love this band; they're great, and I'll definitely keep working
with them. They're my old friends, so we'll see. Unfortunately,
it would be one of those "Ben and the So-and-So's" vibe, and I'm
not really nuts about "and the" names.
STARPOLISH: We also received
what by now must be a familiar question: “What are the chances
for a BF5 reunion tour in the distant future?”
FOLDS:
I don't think so. That really wasn't our style. If it seems completely
natural, like something that would just sort of happen, we might
do that, but I can't imagine that anytime soon. I don't think
any of the three of us are interested in that now.
STARPOLISH: Another StarPolish
fan said there’s been speculation on your website, www.benfolds.org,
about the numbers in the song, “One Down.” What do they mean?
Are they related to how many albums BF5 put out, and how many
you need to make to be able to settle down with your family?
FOLDS:
The truth is, I had 4.6 songs left as my "requirement" in my old
publishing deal. So I wrote 4.6 songs to finish that out. It was
kind of an absurd thing in my contract, which I won't get into,
but that's where it came from. The first song I wrote was “One
Down, 3.6 to Go.” Then I put in a song called “Girl,” a horrible
thing that's supposed to be uncomfortably close to a boy-band
song; you're not supposed to know if it's a joke or not, and that's
why it's funny to me. Then there's a song called “The Secret Life
of Morgan Davis,” [which is] a polka about this guy who runs around
trading crack. Then there's another song called “Make Me Mommy.”
Then I co-wrote a song with my wife, so that she would get .4
[percent] of the credit. The idea was that I had been asked to
just write some kind of crap and turn it in for five years --
and I would have made a lot more money. But I just couldn't bring
myself to just sit down and write junk. But then that year it
was like, “Okay. Uncle. I gotta get some money, so I gotta get
out of this deal.”
STARPOLISH: Someone else
asked about why the re-release due out in September cancelled?
“Some of the songs recorded for the 'new' Ben Folds Five album
were supposed to be on there,” he asks. “Any chance the label
is planning a second Naked Baby Photos? And how many songs did
BF5 leave behind?"
FOLDS:
There's some stuff that was vaulted and never heard of again;
I don't even have a copy of that stuff. I've got to listen to
some of it to see what's good and what's not. Then I think that
one day, when it's the right time, we'll put out a retrospective
thing and put some really cool [unreleased] stuff on it. Again,
it just seemed a little premature. Too many products would be
coming out at once. The label didn't think it felt right, and
I didn't either, so we canned that idea.
STARPOLISH: One of StarPolish’s
most active members asked about where the concept for the video
came from. “You in the Fred Durst getup was a nice touch, but
my favorite part is when you backwards out of the pool onto the
diving board and start smiling,” he writes. “ For some reason,
that just cracks me up.”
FOLDS:
That's all [Weird] Al Yankovic. He's just funny. He's really good
at what he does. I just showed up and did what he told me to do.
STARPOLISH: Another fan
asks if it’s true that you're a huge Sifl & Olly fan?
FOLDS:
Those guys are great -- real creative. They're really cool and
actually good musicians as well.
STARPOLISH: You’re in the
position of being able to work with other artists now. What other
artists would you like to work with? FOLDS: I couldn't tell you,
off the top of my head. It needs to be dictated by the song –
you write a song, and then if there's casting, you go out and
find somebody to do it. There's zillions of great musicians out
there.
STARPOLISH: “I love your
mention of Michael Jackson in Rockin’ the Suburbs,” writes another
fan. “Will you ever play an MJ cover in the future?"
FOLDS:
The trouble with playing covers by people like Michael Jackson
is, you get someone that fuckin' talented doing a great version
of a song, and I wouldn't know what to do with it; it's already
been done so well. But I don't know. Maybe. It depends.
STARPOLISH: Someone asked
is Todd Rundgren and Joe Jackson were influences on your songwriting?
FOLDS:
Um, did this person come out to our show in Cincinnati?
STARPOLISH: She does say
in her post, "Maybe I'll catch you in Cincinnati?"
FOLDS:
She said that? There you go. I don't know all their work inside
and out, but I can see we're on the same planet, and the shit
I have heard I'm sure rubbed off on me.
STARPOLISH: Rundgren especially
writes with a real keyboard feel and traditional structure.
FOLDS:
Oh, yeah. It's more of a school of thought than anything. It's
like jazz extensions on the piano: Your hands have five fingers
each, so things tend to fall in the same way if you follow a certain
path. So it makes a lot of sense, that Todd Rundgren/Joe Jackson
school.
STARPOLISH: Another StarPolish
member notes that Doug Martsch's guitar says “Ben”' “I know this
is on his guitar for his son, but it's the same handwriting as
the BF5 logos. Did you get the idea to write the logos like that
from Doug, or vice versa?”
FOLDS:
I don't think either one was true. I just met Doug for the first
time a couple of weeks ago,
STARPOLISH: She also asked
if you plan on writing more songs with Frally, and perhaps even
performing with her in the future?
FOLDS:
Well, we're thinking about her doing the bridge of "Gone" in Japan,
because she'll be there for that. She's not a professional singer,
but she's got a great voice and a really cool vibe, so we'll see
how comfortable she is with it. I'm not gonna make her do anything
[laughs].
STARPOLISH: Someone else
asks how having a family has influenced your
musical life? “Do you bring them with you on tour, or are they
at home? Do you see yourself putting a stop to the music business
to focus on family any time soon?”
FOLDS:
I think those things can live together, but you're gonna have
to compromise the amount of time you put into both of them. I
don't think it's real natural to try to go out there and rock
when you're …
STARPOLISH: When you’re…
maturing?
FOLDS:
Well, I don't know. That's kind of bogus, too. I mean, there's
Neil Young again -- he does it, and he's old. I haven't figured
it out yet; I'm just playing it by ear.
STARPOLISH: A StarPolish
member wants to know what happened to your song, “Breakup at the
Food Court”? “I know it was supposed to be on the scrapped BF5
album, so do you plan on doing anything with it, or do Darren
or Robert plan on using it?”
FOLDS:
They've never really heard the song; the three of us never played
it. It was a half-finished idea that I had, and this guy from
Spin magazine and said, “What are you working on?” I was writing
everything in the studio, and that was on the list of things I
was writing. I was like, “I dunno.” I hadn't finished any songs,
so I was kind of bullshitting my way through it. “Breakup at the
Food Court” was the title of one song I was finishing, and I think
now that the title was much better than the actual song (laughs).
STARPOLISH: The final two
questions come from a StarPolish fan named Amy: “Have you ever
had an out-of-body experience? How about strawberry salsa?"
FOLDS:
Out-of-body experience? No … but has she ever tried strawberry
malt liquor?
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